Suggestions - Approved Make Playing as a ped free or at least application to use

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jay4871

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Recently I noticed that we were able to play as a ped for a price a price of 60 dollars which in this economy I feel is pretty high for what it grants. I don't want to come across disrespectful but there's a reason why in every other server its free as its a standard Rockstar insert (not talking about custom peds). I was super excited to play Dave Perry which was an amazing character and created so much rp, I had so much fun and enjoyed rp more when i used the ped model for him because it was a lot more immersive. My point is i feel like peds can enhance RP so much and adding a paywall to it feels very odd. I know the idea of money is to support the server and I am not against supporting at all but I think features like this aren't the greatest to charge for. That's how I feel at least. Thank you for reading this far.
 

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I feel $60 is more than justified, Its more of a Help the server with costs of improvement and in return get a thank you kind of thing in my opinion, not just a Hey I want this and it should be for free but server costs you can continue to provide for to enable me to play this PED, I don't feel that's fair and imo $60 should Stay.
 
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I feel $60 is more than justified, Its more of a Help the server with costs of improvement and in return get a thank you kind of thing in my opinion, not just a Hey I want this and it should be for free but server costs you can continue to provide for to enable me to play this PED, I don't feel that's fair and imo $60 should Stay.
I think you misunderstood the point entirely, there’s a reason it’s free on every other server and 60 might not be much to you but it is to a lot, having quality role play will help the server financially itself via clout. If you feel like 60 is justified that’s fine you could easily just donate 60..
 
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Most people who will downvote this will do it to sound like they are all for supporting the server, most of which won’t even be buying the ped thing anyway.. We need more unique people not just self inserts
 
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LOL

Now that I'm done laughing at how insane it is, let me provide my insight. There are two scenarios where this decision makes sense:
1. You are trying to prevent ped spam "abuse" from people with low quality RP - Fair, but youre just saying "well if you pay us enough we don't care". That is a concerning thought, that as long as they make you enough money they can do what they want (hmmmmmmmmm)
2. You are just greedy - Scary, but also valid. I for one think EA themselves would be proud of you. New update with bugs and unplayable on release, and already releasing paid DLC. Dope.

I feel $60 is more than justified, Its more of a Help the server with costs of improvement and in return get a thank you kind of thing in my opinion, not just a Hey I want this and it should be for free but server costs you can continue to provide for to enable me to play this PED, I don't feel that's fair and imo $60 should Stay.
You should really think about asking the question "where does my money actually go" before giving money to anything really. Have you noticed the server costs page disappeared? Same with the list of donators. Sure, lets blame tebex. But throwing your money in the void and saying "I know this is going to be used for good" is like saying a stripper loves you. They really only care as long as you keep paying them. I for one would love to pay for the DLC where all my friends don't get banned cause an admin had a meltdown (twice now I think, but its being worked on copium). Anyway this will probably get deleted so I'll just stop typing as its not really worth the time anymore. Its the same cyclical process since rivalry. I never thought I would say this but maybe Scoresetter was right.
 

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I'll make my feedback short and sweet,
Instead of nearly $100, making a custom ped cost $60 makes more sense, it's imported and exclusive to the person and their RP but I believe an application should go with it so the right people get that privilege.

For Standard GTA ped models, I don't believe there should be a paywall however there should still be an application on what ped they want, what their character is, their story and why they want to RP with this ped...

I understand adding the exclusivity of ped models but the current way is giving off an unsettling image, this is my suggestion for the matter.
 

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I'll make my feedback short and sweet,
Instead of nearly $100, making a custom ped cost $60 makes more sense, it's imported and exclusive to the person and their RP but I believe an application should go with it so the right people get that privilege.

For Standard GTA ped models, I don't believe there should be a paywall however there should still be an application on what ped they want, what their character is, their story and why they want to RP with this ped...

I understand adding the exclusivity of ped models but the current way is giving off an unsettling image, this is my suggestion for the matter.
I like this idea
 

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LOL

Now that I'm done laughing at how insane it is, let me provide my insight. There are two scenarios where this decision makes sense:
1. You are trying to prevent ped spam "abuse" from people with low quality RP - Fair, but youre just saying "well if you pay us enough we don't care". That is a concerning thought, that as long as they make you enough money they can do what they want (hmmmmmmmmm)
2. You are just greedy - Scary, but also valid. I for one think EA themselves would be proud of you. New update with bugs and unplayable on release, and already releasing paid DLC. Dope.


You should really think about asking the question "where does my money actually go" before giving money to anything really. Have you noticed the server costs page disappeared? Same with the list of donators. Sure, lets blame tebex. But throwing your money in the void and saying "I know this is going to be used for good" is like saying a stripper loves you. They really only care as long as you keep paying them. I for one would love to pay for the DLC where all my friends don't get banned cause an admin had a meltdown (twice now I think, but its being worked on copium). Anyway this will probably get deleted so I'll just stop typing as its not really worth the time anymore. Its the same cyclical process since rivalry. I never thought I would say this but maybe Scoresetter was right.
I don't mind providing a reply to each point:

1. Yes it's to prevent ped spam. Nobody can "do what they want" just because they pay money. Even as a ped model they would be held to the same standards as everyone else in terms of having to follow all of the server rules and guidelines. Being a ped model doesn't somehow exempt someone from the rules.

2. Looking around at a lot of other servers and their stores the price point at $50, +tax for some, seemed fair and close to the average market price of what other servers are offering it for. In response to your "EA release" comparison, yes we had a rocky release and we already explained why. If you were actually playing on the server and giving it a chance after a lot of changes/updates/fixes have been implemented then perhaps you would have a different outlook on things but alas you haven't even set foot in 2.0:
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3. Yes you are correct. Tebex. Servers are no longer allowed to take donations directly to pay for server costs or what have you. Pretty much everything has to go through Tebex. Have you looked up the fees and costs related to receiving Support through Tebex? I doubt you have. Let me break it down for ya. Tebex takes 15% off the top right away, you have to also pay Tebex a monthly fee of about $15. Then you have to also pay the gateway processing fees for Paypal or stripe or whatever another payment gateway you accept and these fees are from 3% up to 20% depending on the gateway the person uses. Turnover for most payments is 3 days but can take up to 30 days to process or "settle" as they call it. The other thing about Tebex is that it allows communities to actually make a profit and the proceeds no longer have to cover only server costs but can also be used to pay for assets and developers and other benefits and progression for the community. You are right that Tebex has basically enabled FiveM servers to be profitable if they are successful. Anyone can do this and anyone that is able to accomplish it I applaud. Anyone who bashes or flames someone for being successful is just jealous IMO.

4. I already addressed the bans in a ticket. I made it clear that I did not agree with the shadowbans at all. The players who received a ban did not receive any actual warning points and were not permanently banned, they left of their own accord. I reached out to DLO100 (Ed Banger) and I am hoping to have a chat with him to reassure him that something like this will never happen again and maybe he will return, maybe not, but I feel like I need to talk to him to gauge that. Anyone else is welcome to join the conversation or reach out to me directly to get clarification. Mitch (Cooper) has reached out to me, gained clarification, and has returned now that he got that clarification. I totally understand his hesitation to return after he found out about the shadowbans but it seems even he is willing to give it another shot and that's awesome.

5. No your message isn't going to be deleted and no you aren't going to be banned for speaking your mind. :ROFLMAO:

Let's be real the most vocal group is the group that was the most affected by the recent actions of 2 staff members. I totally understand why you/they are upset. Trust me when I say I am not happy about it either.

I do like @DanobotOfficial's constructive suggestion of potentially making ped models an application thing and only having actual custom ped models be a package. I'll continue to read feedback.
 
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jay4871

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I'll make my feedback short and sweet,
Instead of nearly $100, making a custom ped cost $60 makes more sense, it's imported and exclusive to the person and their RP but I believe an application should go with it so the right people get that privilege.

For Standard GTA ped models, I don't believe there should be a paywall however there should still be an application on what ped they want, what their character is, their story and why they want to RP with this ped...

I understand adding the exclusivity of ped models but the current way is giving off an unsettling image, this is my suggestion for the matter
I'll make my feedback short and sweet,
Instead of nearly $100, making a custom ped cost $60 makes more sense, it's imported and exclusive to the person and their RP but I believe an application should go with it so the right people get that privilege.

For Standard GTA ped models, I don't believe there should be a paywall however there should still be an application on what ped they want, what their character is, their story and why they want to RP with this ped...

I understand adding the exclusivity of ped models but the current way is giving off an unsettling image, this is my suggestion for the matter.
I like this idea a lot
 

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2. Looking around at a lot of other servers and their stores the price point at $50, +tax for some, seemed fair and close to the average market price of what other servers are offering it for. In response to your "EA release" comparison, yes we had a rocky release and we already explained why. If you were actually playing on the server and giving it a chance after a lot of changes/updates/fixes have been implemented then perhaps you would have a different outlook on things but alas you haven't even set foot in 2.0:
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I have like 6 minutes sir fix your bot. I made my character, tripped and fell and then there was a green man with a boner fortnite dancing until I F8 quit.
 

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I have like 6 minutes sir fix your bot. I made my character, tripped and fell and then there was a green man with a boner fortnite dancing until I F8 quit.
Lmao. Yeah idk if you looked at changelog but the tripping is basically non-existent now. It still does happen but nowhere near as much. We also plan to separate the green Fortnite man from the hunger/thirst/etc status updates. The actual green model should only come up if you have actually received damage to your ped. This right now though is not a priority change and will have to come later. Thanks for the feedback valued member.
 
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I do like @DanobotOfficial's with the application. For example, towards the end of 1.0 @Candelaio and I used 2 construction peds to further the RP acting as workers with LS Water & Power and we were contracted out to fix the power plant, and during the process of playing those characters in the last week we had some amazing interactions with people, no guns, no knives, etc, everyone had fun and respected the RP.

We even had a few ideas for those characters for 2.0 once stuff started getting up and going.
 

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I do like @DanobotOfficial's with the application. For example, towards the end of 1.0 @Candelaio and I used 2 construction peds to further the RP acting as workers with LS Water & Power and we were contracted out to fix the power plant, and during the process of playing those characters in the last week we had some amazing interactions with people, no guns, no knives, etc, everyone had fun and respected the RP.

We even had a few ideas for those characters for 2.0 once stuff started getting up and going.
The construction workers were you guys???? LMFAOOO
 
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Lmao. Yeah idk if you looked at changelog but the tripping is basically non-existent now. It still does happen but nowhere near as much. We also plan to separate the green Fortnite man from the hunger/thirst/etc status updates. The actual green model should only come up if you have actually received damage to your ped. This right now though is not a priority change and will have to come later. Thanks for the feedback valued member.
It most definitely does happen all the time when running LOL
 
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Lmao. Yeah idk if you looked at changelog but the tripping is basically non-existent now. It still does happen but nowhere near as much. We also plan to separate the green Fortnite man from the hunger/thirst/etc status updates. The actual green model should only come up if you have actually received damage to your ped. This right now though is not a priority change and will have to come later. Thanks for the feedback valued member.
On the matter of tripping no its still a very big issue in the city as people do it all the time still just i feel people are tired of mentioning it as they dont feel it will change again coming from someone that rps in the medical side i see it alot and about 80 of the calls are just for people tripping
 

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I am annoyed that I would have to pay to play either of my Ped Characters I had, either a clown (the shoes squeak and its funny) or my LS Power & Water character. But I can see why the ped skins could be restricted. I was disheartened to hear that essentially after I had tried to show they are fun to use and could add some depth to characters, they were taken away in 2.0. But I was more or less expecting the ped models to be taken away at some point. Adding them back in with the option to pay to play as them does feel a bit like a slap in the face, not going to lie. But I can understand why.

So, that being said, my stance having been laid out. Why not have an application for ped models and also just having an option to pay to skip the application? One way someone devotes some time describing their character and why the ped model works more for them besides the multiplayer model, thus giving them a stake via invested time from writing the application to use the ped model properly. The second way is giving them a stake in using the model properly by simply offering up their own money.

Custom Ped models should be handled with care, ensuring they fit with the server and that they don't break things or give unfair advantages. And I agree that they should have a cost to implement, but I never have looked up pricing for it so I can't say if its a good price or not right now.
 
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Recently I noticed that we were able to play as a ped for a price a price of 60 dollars which in this economy I feel is pretty high for what it grants. I don't want to come across disrespectful but there's a reason why in every other server its free as its a standard Rockstar insert (not talking about custom peds). I was super excited to play Dave Perry which was an amazing character and created so much rp, I had so much fun and enjoyed rp more when i used the ped model for him because it was a lot more immersive. My point is i feel like peds can enhance RP so much and adding a paywall to it feels very odd. I know the idea of money is to support the server and I am not against supporting at all but I think features like this aren't the greatest to charge for. That's how I feel at least. Thank you for reading this far.
I do have to agree with the suggestion that ped models should be free to use. I do like the ideas given and do also support the $60 for requesting a custom ped model to be placed in the game (or made if that is possible for the dev team).

Paywalling the peds looks distasteful when I look for a roleplay server, it seems like they are wanting to make money rather than entertain unique roleplay scenarios. Which is not the truth at Nonstop, at least how much I know, but others may think that way.
 
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