Reducing Charges in The Criminal Code

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drug charges are kind of rough. its 20, 25 or 35 months for 199 bags of weed, heroin or coke.
and if you have 1 more baggy (200+) you suddenly get 4 years and the fine goes x10


I personally feel that the license point system needs a rework too. Theres alot of secondary charges like window tints and headlights that stack up too many points. IMO points should only be given for Driving infractions. Not for shit like headlights or window tints

i can't quite understand why we're even giving points on licenses any longer.. seeing as how there's no longer a driving school and (i could be wrong with this one, but imma roll w/it) i haven't seen an advert for traffic court in a few weeks.

if you're carrying around 199 (3 or so stacks) of substance and get caught slinging it, there should be a stiff penalty... in the broader realm, wtf is a half hour of your time in the grand scheme of things. there also has to be a definitive line where the charges go up, and go up drastically... otherwise people will simply take advantage of 'ruleplay over roleplay' and just apply that mentality to crimes and times.

btw, i don't blame people for not wanting to roleplay as DOC.. not with the way they've been treated as of late. don't believe me? ask somebody who has attempted it, they'll tell you the same. prison should never be considered a 'soft ban', and you shouldn't 'expect' the place to be full of interactions either... it's prison, you're prolly there for a reason. granted there's a fine line to tread between punishing a character as opposed to punishing a player, but that boils down to boo-hoo mentality. if you don't wanna get stuck in prison for an extended period of time, be a better criminal.
 

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You're right, Traffic court is maybe once every couple of months. And even then you have to be in that timezone to be there.

would be better if points expire after 30 months or something. Or another solution, but the way it is right now isnt really fair for civs

What about a point expungement program like you can do for felonies, but alot more simplistic?
 

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You're right, Traffic court is maybe once every couple of months. And even then you have to be in that timezone to be there.

would be better if points expire after 30 months or something. Or another solution, but the way it is right now isnt really fair for civs

What about a point expungement program like you can do for felonies, but alot more simplistic?
Theres traffic court some what frequent. There has been EU and NA traffic court times and usually announced/posted way in advanced. I have sat at a traffic court session, lets say it started at 7pm EST. I have sat there for over an hour waiting for people to show up and only maybe 1 person actually shows up. I think out of all the traffic court sessions there has been, theres only been maybe 1 or 2 that had a decent show up. The rest has been a sitting around and waiting game which gets boring... You could always request a traffic court as well if you never were able to attend. Theres always a way around not being able to attend but it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure them out and most dont even attempt to figure them out. Because its just easier to complain about the problem then try and figure out a solution or a middle ground for the problems.




As far as DOC not wanting to be around. I use to be DOC for a long long time, I was there when the prison was treated WAY worse then it currently is. The people who go into the prison need to be a little better as roleplayers and people towards DOC and then you probably would see DOC more often. Shit, they probably would even reduce time for inmates if they were just treated like shit and punching bags day in and day out. Prison isnt suppose to be a fun place but yet at the same time, it can be if you actually give them decent RP and fun interactions. It also doesnt help that people get sent to prison and say fuck it after 5/10 minutes and log out of the server cuz they dont wanna do the time for their crimes they committed. Theres many ways to even get your time reduced but yet no one also seems to actually attempt and they think "oh shit, I am going to prison now and I am going to be soft banned in the prison and cant do anything now" but in fact, theres still RP that can happen and youre not on a soft ban.

If you are being caught with a shit ton of drugs on you, youre a pretty shitty criminal and don't know how to be smarter about things. Thats not LEO's or DOJ's fault that is on you. If youre character is suppose to act like that and be kinda special with large amounts of drugs, its a risk reward situation. The risk is high for you to get caught and serve time but if not, your reward is super high with how much you can make with those amounts of drugs.
 

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drug charges are kind of rough. its 20, 25 or 35 months for 199 bags of weed, heroin or coke.
and if you have 1 more baggy (200+) you suddenly get 4 years and the fine goes x10
That’s because it goes from “possession” to “trafficking”. Don’t walk around with 200+ baggies. Or do, and make a detective’s day.
 

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Pretty sure the idea behind all those charges is to turn people away from pushing every crime to a shootout which is understandable the charges are generally changed to account for behaviour of criminals, this puts a really big emphasis on trying to escape or plan things out rather than shoot a cop, get away for pretty much free.
 

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One of the only charges DOC can put is Assault, Impeding on a Corrections officer. When someone is trying to break someone out during a transport that's the only charge we can charge them with., lowering it from 40 to 20 is a dis service to DOC. Please review and adjust, doesn't feel right.
 

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One of the only charges DOC can put is Assault, Impeding on a Corrections officer. When someone is trying to break someone out during a transport that's the only charge we can charge them with., lowering it from 40 to 20 is a dis service to DOC. Please review and adjust, doesn't feel right.
I agree with this, even if we could get that increased again, aswell as more things that we are able to charge onto prisoner. On the other side of that , A lot of prisoners don’t understand/realize I have the ability to reduce their sentence for good behavior. If they are going to go around punching DOC officers just because they want to obv. They are not going to get that reduced sentence.

Another issue that we have as DOC, is that people get sent to prison and they either attack us or 9/10 times they log out because they know that if they log out and come back in an hour their sentence is done and they get to go out and commit more crime like they never were in prison. For a lot of people their RP ends when they get arrested and starts again when they are released. I was thinking a solution to this problem would be reducing certain times and making it so they have to be in the server so their time goes down. I have been DOC for about a month and a little bit and this has been one of the #1 complaints that I hear.
 

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drug charges are kind of rough. its 20, 25 or 35 months for 199 bags of weed, heroin or coke.
and if you have 1 more baggy (200+) you suddenly get 4 years and the fine goes x10


I personally feel that the license point system needs a rework too. Theres alot of secondary charges like window tints and headlights that stack up too many points. IMO points should only be given for Driving infractions. Not for shit like headlights or window tints

I've seen people sit for literally hours just selling drugs to NPCs with zero roleplay. They are just grinding away drugs. God forbid they get arrested and have to interact with some cops and DOC for 30 minutes to an hour. The fines associated with these charges aren't even that bad compared to how much money can be made in the same time span of jail time.

In other news, the driver's license points system has been reworked by myself. I've generally lowered violations that are not moving infractions.

Pretty sure the idea behind all those charges is to turn people away from pushing every crime to a shootout which is understandable the charges are generally changed to account for behaviour of criminals, this puts a really big emphasis on trying to escape or plan things out rather than shoot a cop, get away for pretty much free.

The primary goal is to make it where "petty crime" doesn't really come with must of a punishment. On the other side, it's supposed to make violent felonies or any major crimes or crimes involving weapons have significant consequences for your character. A risk vs. reward kind of thing.

One of the only charges DOC can put is Assault, Impeding on a Corrections officer. When someone is trying to break someone out during a transport that's the only charge we can charge them with., lowering it from 40 to 20 is a dis service to DOC. Please review and adjust, doesn't feel right.

Someone attempting to break someone out of transport constitutes an attempted Jailbreak. You are incorrect as to which charge applies. Speak to the District Attorney (who is also your lawyer as a state employee/agency) and get a better grasp of charges that apply to different situations.
 

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Someone attempting to break someone out of transport constitutes an attempted Jailbreak. You are incorrect as to which charge applies. Speak to the District Attorney (who is also your lawyer as a state employee/agency) and get a better grasp of charges that apply to different situations.
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The act of an individual, or group of individuals, using means of agression, lethal force or other acts to attempt to or sucessfully coerce the release of; or forcefully gain access and remove an individual who is serving an active sentance/medical hold in the Bolingbroke Penitentiary. Also the act of an individual escaping Bolingbroke on their own or with a group.
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They have to be in the prison already for the charge to apply.
 

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The act of an individual, or group of individuals, using means of agression, lethal force or other acts to attempt to or sucessfully coerce the release of; or forcefully gain access and remove an individual who is serving an active sentance/medical hold in the Bolingbroke Penitentiary. Also the act of an individual escaping Bolingbroke on their own or with a group.
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They have to be in the prison already for the charge to apply.
I'm unsure when or how this was changed or being applied differently but people have received Jailbreak in the past as it is considered Jailbreak as soon as they are placed into DOC custody (no matter where they physically are).
 

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The act of an individual, or group of individuals, using means of agression, lethal force or other acts to attempt to or sucessfully coerce the release of; or forcefully gain access and remove an individual who is serving an active sentance/medical hold in the Bolingbroke Penitentiary. Also the act of an individual escaping Bolingbroke on their own or with a group.
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They have to be in the prison already for the charge to apply.
No they don’t.
 

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No they don’t.

Okay, can we get that clarified in the Code and/or an IC announcement? Because the law reads "serving an active sentence/medical hold **IN** the Bolingbroke Penitentiary. Also the act of an individual escaping **BOLINGBROKE**..."
 

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I am also talking about the people who try to break someone out.
 

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Okay, can we get that clarified in the Code and/or an IC announcement? Because the law reads "serving an active sentence/medical hold **IN** the Bolingbroke Penitentiary. Also the act of an individual escaping **BOLINGBROKE**..."
Can we also talk about why a person in a mental hold, that is placed on Bolingbroke for their own safety, is charged with criminal charges for escaping a mental hold? I don't believe it should apply to mental holds since, as the reason they are there is not for commit a crime :/
 

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Can we also talk about why a person in a mental hold, that is placed on Bolingbroke for their own safety, is charged with criminal charges for escaping a mental hold? I don't believe it should apply to mental holds since, as the reason they are there is not for commit a crime :/
There are multiple state penal codes all across the US that give powers of arrest to police for someone who escapes a mental hold. Same applies here.
 

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There are multiple state penal codes all across the US that give powers of arrest to police for someone who escapes a mental hold. Same applies here.
Can you please explain how someone escaping a place of confinement they were placed in for their safety because they are MENTALLY UNWELL, when they have potentially never committed a crime is suddenly given a criminal record because the SYSTEM failed to ensure they remained safely inside or got treatment in a reasonable timeframe?

It kind of looks like you're saying "Because they have a potential mental health problem they deserve to be shot, batoned, forced down, tased and cuffed for running away before help could get to them." If anything the fault is not on them, because those sort of people act in unpredictable ways and may not have control over their actions, in those situations more pressure should be placed on the Fire Department to train more people to handle people placed on holds quicker to reduce the risk.

Needing help with mental health is NOT A CRIME and should NEVER be treated like a crime when people fall through the cracks, if anything it's on those who are supposed to keep them safe and confined to be charged for negligence of duty.
 

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Needing help with mental health is NOT A CRIME and should NEVER be treated like a crime when people fall through the cracks, if anything it's on those who are supposed to keep them safe and confined to be charged for negligence of duty.

Law Enforcement and Health Care providers order involuntary commitment of people all the time. If they are deemed to be a danger to themselves or others due to mental health reasons, they have to be seen by a professional. And yes, if those people escape from the hold, the police do track them down and bring them back.

In NonStop, the only secure place we have to house people is DOC. If you want to run a secure facility at Parsons, then get that up and running with full staffing a security for involuntary commitments.

Also, "the SYSTEM" is designed in a way that allow for jailbreaks. So it's not that the system failed, it's designed that way. As far as a "reasonable timeframe", you work for LSFD. You can be a part of that solution and become mental health trained.
 

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Can you please explain how someone escaping a place of confinement they were placed in for their safety because they are MENTALLY UNWELL, when they have potentially never committed a crime is suddenly given a criminal record because the SYSTEM failed to ensure they remained safely inside or got treatment in a reasonable timeframe?

It kind of looks like you're saying "Because they have a potential mental health problem they deserve to be shot, batoned, forced down, tased and cuffed for running away before help could get to them." If anything the fault is not on them, because those sort of people act in unpredictable ways and may not have control over their actions, in those situations more pressure should be placed on the Fire Department to train more people to handle people placed on holds quicker to reduce the risk.

Needing help with mental health is NOT A CRIME and should NEVER be treated like a crime when people fall through the cracks, if anything it's on those who are supposed to keep them safe and confined to be charged for negligence of duty.
There are hundreds if not thousands of case laws out there to help you get a better picture. Google is your friend.
 
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